Sunday, March 15, 2020

Store stories are pretty interesting right now.

I think tomorrow this enters a new phase. People have been very pleasant up until now. But the shelves are getting pretty stripped and people are going to change fast.

I just went for the pictures today. Which I know is not wise. But since I am the only one doing that - people have stopped to talk to me. People always make small talk, but since the recession people don't share as much. We mostly don't want to know your inside thoughts. So the change is interesting.

One lady stopped to tell me she had lived in Poland during the iron curtain. I was shocked because I wouldn't have pegged her to be any older than me. She told me about the stages they went through with toilet paper.

First it started out with brown paper. I think sort of like public restroom paper towels. Then went to paper (that again I'm guessing) is like the public restroom doilies. I've had to use that in a pinch. Then she said they went to real paper. It all was pretty fascinating. But the whole story sort of made my butt hurt.

I think it's super fascinating to see what people refuse to buy. Apparently people would rather die than buy whole grain bread. AMAZING. All those people who say they love it are liars!

What difference does it make now? I mean if they had set limits earlier, would it have been better or panicked people more? What's the right answer?

You can still find flour.

The eggs were gone. Which was surprising because the only thing I'm sure we can get locally is eggs!

Every single onion gone at this store. I'm going to be popular.


  1. I hate to say this - but in all honesty I think he should stay home. At this point I think he has zero chance at finding sanitizer. People seem to be leaving behind hydrogen peroxide which is just diluted bleach. But man it's tough on skin. I would highly recommend the person call their doctor and see if they will handle over the phone. If he goes make sure to wear a mask. And be OCD about ouching ANYTHING.

    I did hear a case in China of an old person having cancer and having to go to some of the Wuhan hospitals and take transit surviving - despite being very exposed to people with the virus. Apparently she was a germaphobe. I'm middle of the road germaphobe, but this person should be very diligent. I wish them luck.

  2. I'm amazed you can get flour, those aisles are empty here. I'm glad I make my breads out of mostly locally grown and ground flour cause you can't get any at the store right now. Even the websites for the two flour companies I checked are showing out of stock on their all purpose flours.

    The picture in your other post of the full condom rack made me laugh. Gonna be a hell of a baby boom come December.....

  3. Oh... good to know. I was hoping they would stay open to ship direct. I think it would make the hoarding a little less if places would put up signs of when they will be restocked. Because right now no one knows. I think it makes panic buying worse.

  4. Capital of Texas RefugeeMonday, March 16, 2020 6:41:00 AM

    "... hydrogen peroxide which is just diluted bleach ..."

    Bleach = sodium hypochlorite =/= hydrogen peroxide.

    You need at least 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite solution to kill The Hong Kong Book of Kung Flu.

    Dakin's solution is typically 0.4% to 0.5% sodium hypochlorite solution with stabilizers so it can be used to clean wounds.

    Instead of hand sanitizer, see if you can find Bactine wound wash spray, it contains the same amount of benzalkonium chloride (another quaternary ammonium salt) as what's in Dial anti-bacterial soap.

    BTW, will The Wascaly Wabbit eat rabbit kibble?

    Walmart has rabbit kibble in tubs and I've seen it at some other grocery stores.

    If The Wascaly Wabbit will eat dry food, then you don't have to risk overloading her kidneys with all of that parsley you picked up.

    I have had calcium oxalate kidney stones, lots and lots of them until I got that under control, and they are really not fun.

  5. I do have a couple of bags of kibble for her. And a bunch of bags of hay. The green stuff is to make sure she doesn't have any GI slowdowns. Rabbits in captivity really are not functional in the real world. Thanks for all of your concern and help.

  6. Unless something has changed in the last 24hrs (I had yesterday off work) they don't know when they'll be restocked. Everyone has orders in for everything. But I can guarantee that there's not enough in the warehouses to refill all the shelves in one week. IF everyone institutes strict purchase limits on most items they MIGHT be able to keep things from being completely bare starting end of this week. Maybe.

    My work has been contacted by at least two different ambulance companies, THEY CAN'T GET SANITIZING PRODUCTS TO CLEAN THE AMBULANCES WITH. Their usual wholesale supplier is back ordered! Thats how bad it is.

  7. Wooooow. Your brain doesn't even want to accept this is real. Even as I was preparing - half my brain was telling me I'm being ridiculous.

  8. Capital of Texas RefugeeWednesday, March 18, 2020 9:27:00 PM

    "... they don't know when they'll be restocked ..."

    I overheard some stockers chatting at a Walmart in Kentucky about this because they were getting tired of hearing the question ...

    There's still stuff in some of the stores that will work because it's in the same chemical family, but the FDA etc. probably won't give provide authorization to use it in a medical setting.

    Alkyl quaternary ammonium chloride salts are viricidal and are also rust inhibitors that prevent the corrosion of steel, so as long as those are in the mix, that will keep the ambulance crews from having their gurneys and other gear rust from salt exposure.

    Tell your ambulance crews what they need may be in the home improvement section as a quaternary ammonium salt blend at high concentration (6x to 10x) with a blue tint that is sold as a mold and mildew wash. Also tell them that they need to read the label to make sure that it doesn't say that it's corrosive, because pool shock may also be used for this purpose (and it's even more concentrated), but it typically contains such things as calcium hypochlorite which would make it corrosive even in diluted solution.

    Even if it's unapproved, using it is better than using nothing.

    It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission in many cases anyway, and besides, we might be up for putting most of the FDA and CDC honchos up for indictments after this is all over.

    Walmart also still has some of this stuff in stock, because most people don't have enough of a chemistry background to work out that this would also do the job.

    That's also why there's still Bactine on the shelves in some places -- it's the same benzalkonium chloride that's in a lot of other products, but for some reason people are leaving it on the shelves.

    A lot of businesses use soap that contains nonoxynol-9 which actually causes the skin to break, and so all that hand washing will do in many cases is to provide more avenues for the virus to enter.

    Whereas hand sanitizer or spraying your hands with Bactine probably wouldn't ...

    So there's something you can suggest if the ambulance crews are willing to give it a try.

  9. Capital of Texas RefugeeWednesday, March 18, 2020 9:35:00 PM

    Oh, and while I'm thinking of it ...

    Got any friends in the oil and gas business?

    They use a quaternary ammonium chloride corrosion inhibitor in that business.

    Alkyl pyridine quaternary ammonium chloride would also work as a viricide, and since it's a corrosion inhibitor, if it's not blended with soapy stuff, it can be left to dry on surfaces.

  10. Refugee, I know. Hell, somehow Spray Nine was being completely ignored on the cleaning products shelves. I pulled it out of the overheads and put out wingstacks of it yesterday.